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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, December 21 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1545<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
RE: Traveller roadshows<BR>
Re: Canada<BR>
Re: Calendar compliance<BR>
RE: How much should a starship cost<BR>
Re: How much should a starship cost<BR>
RE: Canada<BR>
RE: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
..and it comes with a fresher! (OT)<BR>
RE: survival kit<BR>
RE: War of 1812<BR>
Re: Looking for Far Trader Deckplans<BR>
Re: [OT} Mental Health in Australia<BR>
Re: How much should a starship cost<BR>
Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)<BR>
Re: United States<BR>
Re: ..and it comes with a fresher! (OT)<BR>
Re: SF Trav game<BR>
Re: War of 1812<BR>
Re: England<BR>
Re: [OT] Politically Correct Season's Greetings...<BR>
Re:War of 1812<BR>
Re: CT to T4 power conversion (Was: Re: Asteroid Mining)<BR>
Re: The Death of Q<BR>
Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1544<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:51:05 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Traveller roadshows<BR>
<BR>
At 13:33 -0500 21/12/99, "Mark Preston" <mark@mpreston.demon.co.uk> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Really? Where in the north? I'm in Lancashire, near Rochdale.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>[mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of i Steve<BR>
>iSteve<BR>
><BR>
>PS anytime anyone's passing through the North of England, give me a<BR>
>yell....<BR>
<BR>
On the Wirral, by Liverpool and Chester.<BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
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- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------<BR>
"We tell the tales of heroes to remind ourselves that we too<BR>
can be great" - John Wick, 7th Sea<BR>
http://www.cybergoths.u-net.com   http://www.bits.org.uk/ <BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:07:42 -0800<BR>
From: "Wayne Ewart" <wewart@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Canada<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Kurt Feltenberger" <kurt@blazenet.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 1:00 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Canada<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> At 12:47 PM 12/21/1999 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
> >I heard recently that Canada was named by Spanish<BR>
> >explorers who were looking for ancient civilizations,<BR>
> >cities of gold, and mujeres con tres tetas (as one of<BR>
> >Cabeza de Vaca's companions is said to have testified<BR>
> >after their return to Spanish possessions).<BR>
> ><BR>
> >Anyway, the Spaniards ended up north of their<BR>
> >destination, and were rather disappointed with what<BR>
> >they saw.  Asked later to describe the new territory,<BR>
> >they said, "que nada", which eventually became<BR>
> >pronounced Canada.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >Do the Canadians on the list know whether this story<BR>
> >is correct?<BR>
><BR>
> Not a Canadian, but IIRC it was a Native American word/phrase 'Kanata' or<BR>
> some similar spelling that referred to a local landmark.<BR>
<BR>
it referres to a village. French exploreres misstook the word 'Kanata'<BR>
(meaning the village they were being brought to) as being the name of the<BR>
land and marked there maps as such, but spelled 'Canada'<BR>
<BR>
Wayne<BR>
wewart@home.com<BR>
icq22113294<BR>
http://www.members.home.net/wewart/wewart/traveller/<BR>
<BR>
Give a man fire and he is warm for the night.<BR>
Set a man on fire and he is warm all his life.<BR>
- - Terry Pratchett<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:08:23 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: Calendar compliance<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Leonard wrote:<BR>
>Frankly, it's a virtual *certainty* that most worlds will have local<BR>
>clocks and local calendars *in addition to* the Imperial ones.<BR>
<BR>
This is supported in canon by equipment such as the high-tech "universal<BR>
timepiece". After a few hours, it works out the rotation period of the world and<BR>
adjusts itself to show "local time" as well as Imperial...<BR>
<BR>
Sorry, can't remember its exact name, it was in the MT equipment list and fully<BR>
detailed (with pics) in Grand Survey/World Builder's Handbook.<BR>
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David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson        Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)<BR>
http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw                       davidjw@pcug.org.au<BR>
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:14:53 -0800<BR>
From: "Thing" <gduke@telebyte.com><BR>
Subject: RE: How much should a starship cost<BR>
<BR>
On Tuesday, December 21, 1999 1:04 PM<BR>
Anthony Jackson said,<BR>
<BR>
> Assuming you don't want every free trader to be quite<BR>
> wealthy, an order of magnitude reduction in the cost of a<BR>
> basic trade ship is in order...<BR>
<BR>
I've played with this by hand waving the costs in the books as Military<BR>
grade equipment.  This makes civilian cargo vessels extremely fragile in<BR>
comparison to military ships, so combat is a big no-no.  Also the<BR>
civilian jump drives have less redundancies and fail safes than the<BR>
military models causing the chances of misjumps from unrefined fuel and<BR>
poor maintenance to be much higher (I had to lower the chance of fatal<BR>
misjumps to keep PC's alive).<BR>
<BR>
I've also played with having most of the large bulk cargoes of food<BR>
stuffs and equipment being handled by bulk merchant fleets that belong<BR>
to mega-corps and merchant prince families.  This leaves small size,<BR>
high value courier cargo for PC's in ships.  Most of this trade are<BR>
things that either need more security/lower profile than a ship with<BR>
several hundred tons of other peoples cargo could provide.  This seemed<BR>
to fit with the mix of players I get having a lot of ex military combat<BR>
people along with a few scouts and such transporting 5 & 10 dT<BR>
prototypes and such.<BR>
<BR>
G.D.D.<BR>
======<BR>
"You can't be real a country unless you have a beer and an airline. It<BR>
helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons,<BR>
but at the very least you need a beer." - Frank Zappa<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:13:00 -0500<BR>
From: "Thom Harris" <thomharr@mediaone.net><BR>
Subject: Re: How much should a starship cost<BR>
<BR>
And no matter what else, a hundred tons is still a hundred tons, the bare<BR>
minimum to be a "Star Ship".<BR>
<BR>
Thom<BR>
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- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Walter Smith" <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU><BR>
To: "'TML'" <traveller@mpgn.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 4:36 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: How much should a starship cost<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Anthony Jackson wrote:<BR>
> >>>>>>>><BR>
> > Assuming you don't want every free trader to be quite wealthy, an order<BR>
of<BR>
> > magnitude reduction in the cost of a basic trade ship is in order...<BR>
><BR>
> Note that the easiest way to do that is to have an 'entry-level' trader<BR>
which is just very small.  It will not be particularly competitive on rates<BR>
with larger ships, however.<BR>
> >>>>>>>><BR>
> You'll need to do some tweaking of the design and/or economics rules<BR>
> for this to work. Certain items hit minimum price and displacement limits<BR>
> where you just can't make them smaller or cheaper, no matter how<BR>
> small a ship you are making. A type-A Free Trader from CT had the<BR>
> cheapest, smallest drives and computers available, for example - making<BR>
> the ship smaller won't save on the really expensive stuff, it'll just<BR>
> reduce the size of your cargo bay.<BR>
><BR>
> Walt Smith<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:23:59 -0500<BR>
From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca><BR>
Subject: RE: Canada<BR>
<BR>
Glenn Goffin writes:<BR>
>Anyway, the Spaniards ended up north of their<BR>
>destination, and were rather disappointed with what<BR>
>they saw.  Asked later to describe the new territory,<BR>
>they said, "que nada", which eventually became<BR>
>pronounced Canada.<BR>
>Do the Canadians on the list know whether this story<BR>
>is correct?<BR>
<BR>
	No, Sir John A. MacDonald drew letters out of a hat and<BR>
	read them to a secretary who wrote them down:<BR>
<BR>
		"C, eh... N, eh... D, eh... "<BR>
<BR>
Kurt Feltenberger writes:<BR>
>Not a Canadian, but IIRC it was a Native American word/phrase<BR>
>'Kanata' or some similar spelling that referred to a local<BR>
>landmark.<BR>
>I might be right, I might be wrong, wouldn't be the first time<BR>
>for either. :-)<BR>
<BR>
	You are right, though the spelling is arbitrary.  My<BR>
	understanding is that it was a native word that translated<BR>
	roughly to "village."<BR>
<BR>
Peez<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:25:08 -0500<BR>
From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca><BR>
Subject: RE: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
Wayne Ewart writes:<BR>
>Don't forget we gave you football and basketball<BR>
<BR>
	Let's not start a "who invented basketball" flamewar, OK?<BR>
<BR>
Peez<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:22:18 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: ..and it comes with a fresher! (OT)<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Doug wrote:<BR>
>What this means for us is that we will have two rooms open for rent on<BR>
>April 1st.<BR>
<BR>
...so, you are just getting in early with the jokes, right?<BR>
<BR>
I assume it's BYOP (Bring Your Own Penguin)?<BR>
<BR>
Burma!<BR>
<BR>
;-)<BR>
<BR>
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David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson        Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)<BR>
http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw                       davidjw@pcug.org.au<BR>
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:40:18 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: RE: survival kit<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Peez wrote:<BR>
>Animal Repellant<BR>
<BR>
Does that include shark repellant, Batman?<BR>
<BR>
- - Hyphen<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:43:34 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: RE: War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Mark asked:<BR>
>Total shambles.<BR>
><BR>
>ObTrav: So how would that fit in with Mileu 0, as the Imperium is<BR>
>growing.<BR>
<BR>
Reference: Julian War.<BR>
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David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson        Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)<BR>
http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw                       davidjw@pcug.org.au<BR>
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"<BR>
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:46:37 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Looking for Far Trader Deckplans<BR>
<BR>
><<Would a scan of the deckplans in Snapshot be any good? >><BR>
><BR>
>D'oh!  I have those and had forgotten about them!  <"SMACK! SMACK! SMACK!"<BR>
>goes the hand into the forehead>.  Thanks for the reminder!<BR>
><BR>
>I'd still be interested if anyone had any other Far Trader designs with<BR>
>deck plans, though...<BR>
><BR>
>Charles C.<BR>
<BR>
Check out the deckplans webring. Can't remember the URL right now, but<BR>
www.webring.org and search for "deckplan" will get it for you.  Paul<BR>
Schrif's site has a lot of very nice deckplans.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:00:23 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT} Mental Health in Australia<BR>
<BR>
>About 10 years ago, the Richmond Report stated that many people in psycaratric<BR>
>care could have been better treated in a community enviroment instead of being<BR>
>withheld from the community (take 3 of the older Psyc hospitals in Sydney,<BR>
>Gladesville, Parramatta (Cumberland) and Peat Island could have been used as<BR>
>prisons, walls included).<BR>
><BR>
>Politicians took this as a godsend, and thus cut hevily into the mental health<BR>
>budgets, forcing many people who should have been in institurtion care place<BR>
>onto the streets with little support. It was sad to see people who had been<BR>
>institutions for most of their adult life try to do things that we take for<BR>
>granted, like telling the bus driver where they where going.<BR>
<BR>
Sounds typical. Save money by closing hospitals, yet don't put some of that<BR>
money back into community care.<BR>
<BR>
Last year I assigned my students a research project on homelessness. (A<BR>
"hot issue" here in Hogtown, with advocacy groups demanding money for<BR>
shelters, and rich folks demanding human trash removal from their<BR>
neighbourhoods.)<BR>
<BR>
Step one was, naturally, trying to discover the root of the problem. My<BR>
best group read a lot of reports, conducted interviews, visited shelters...<BR>
(it became something of a passion for them). They decided that the start of<BR>
our homeless problem was the closing down of psychiatric facilities without<BR>
any provision for continuing treatment. Were they right?  Their numbers<BR>
were convincing, certainly.<BR>
<BR>
I rather liked their solution, too. Stop giving professional sports teams<BR>
tax money, and instead spend it on community health care.  They'd added up<BR>
the money given to professional sports teams, and figured that less than<BR>
half of that total would be enough to provide good community care.<BR>
<BR>
Tenuous ObTrav: IMTU, professional sports teams get no government money.<BR>
They are either supported by gate receipts, or noble patronage.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:52:25 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com><BR>
Subject: Re: How much should a starship cost<BR>
<BR>
Thom Harris writes:<BR>
> And no matter what else, a hundred tons is still a hundred tons, the bare<BR>
> minimum to be a "Star Ship".<BR>
<BR>
True, but there's still a considerable difference between 100 tons and 200 tons.  If you really want the 'tramp freighter' model you'd probably have to reduce the minimum size of a jump-ship.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:48:13 +1000<BR>
From: dadams@parracity.nsw.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)<BR>
<BR>
>>><BR>
As for population centers there appears to be mega-cities in Mexico,<BR>
Buenos Ares, London, Berlin, Cairo, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, South Africa,<BR>
Sydney (Sydney?), and Antarctica (something called Shackleton).<BR>
<<<<BR>
<BR>
Sydney alsmost qualifies for a megacity now, except for the population.<BR>
<BR>
With 3 major satalite cities (Newcastle, Wollongong and Cambelltown/Macarthur) ,<BR>
the Greater Sydney Metro area is the same size as London. Again though, the<BR>
population density is far smaller.<BR>
<BR>
Given the population density of NSW and Victoria on the coast, I forsee a<BR>
megacity encompasing Sydney and Canberra, streaching down to the Victoria border<BR>
(possably meeting Melbourne).<BR>
<BR>
Darryl<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:16:13 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: United States<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Kelly St.Clair wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Sometimes I wonder if all of "Western" civilization will be only a blip in<BR>
> the thousands of years of history of the Middle Kingdom.  (Of course, such<BR>
> continuity is only maintained through often heavy-handed stifling of<BR>
> innovation which might upset the balance of society... suddenly the<BR>
> longevity of the Ziru Siirka begins to look more plausible.)<BR>
> <BR>
Read the Chung Kuo series, or "China Mountain Zhang"?  Either would make<BR>
an interesting TU if extrapolated far enough into the future...<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:18:25<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: ..and it comes with a fresher! (OT)<BR>
<BR>
At 09:22 AM 12/22/1999 +1000, you wrote:<BR>
>Dear Folks -<BR>
><BR>
>Doug wrote:<BR>
>>What this means for us is that we will have two rooms open for rent on<BR>
>>April 1st.<BR>
><BR>
>...so, you are just getting in early with the jokes, right?<BR>
<BR>
Actually, this is deadly serious.  We don't get roommates, our rent goes<BR>
from $440 a month to $1317 a month in a heartbeat.  And we can't afford to<BR>
move ourselves to anywhere within fifty miles of were we work, which our<BR>
car wouldn't be able to take.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:22:42<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: SF Trav game<BR>
<BR>
At 11:27 AM 12/21/1999 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Really?  Me too!  Where?  I live across from the Women's Building, you can<BR>
>see all the murals from my living room window.<BR>
<BR>
Ah.  Where my Pub *used* to be until the Women's Building folk managed to<BR>
convict a bar of domestic abuse.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:55:17 +0000<BR>
From: Mark Watson <markw@antares.demon.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Bruce Johnson wrote:<BR>
>Bruce Macintosh wrote:<BR>
>> <BR>
>> A quick outline would be<BR>
>> (0) Britain is conscripting british (and occasional American) soliders out<BR>
>> of British ships. America doesn't like this. Also, Britain is blocking<BR>
>> American trade with France (more legitimately).<BR>
><BR>
>Well, there _was_ the minor problem that the British Navy was also<BR>
>stopping and searching US-flagged merchants, and pretty much impressing<BR>
>anyone they felt like.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
We still do that. It's the accent.<BR>
- -- <BR>
Mark Watson, markw@antares.demon.co.uk<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:59:37 +0000<BR>
From: Mark Watson <markw@antares.demon.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: England<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Steven Hudson wrote:<BR>
>>From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
>>Subject: Re: England<BR>
>...<BR>
>>>  Unless you count the Glorious Revolution, but it's perhaps a bit impolite :><BR>
>><BR>
>>Assuming that you're referring to Cromwell's revolution:<BR>
>...<BR>
>>Admittedly, the monarchy was restored by a claimant from overseas, but<BR>
>>this was not a conquest in the same sense as, say, Germany's conquest of<BR>
>>France in AD 1940.<BR>
><BR>
>  The Restoration in 1660 was of the legitimate King; the "Revolution" in<BR>
>1688 was the collapse of the then-current regime to a foreign prince. A<BR>
>foreign prince who brought a substantial army with him; the fact that the<BR>
>challenge was not taken up doesn't change the dubious nature of the claim<BR>
>that no invasion took place, but that's more something for the Brits to<BR>
>whine about :><BR>
<BR>
Er, the challenge was so taken up, in Ireland. That's a part of what all this<BR>
stuff in Ulster is about (or at least part of the tradition of troubles). As to<BR>
"then-current-regime" - the King was removed by Parliament and replaced with<BR>
someone with better protestant credentials. In the modern sense, the best<BR>
description would be a coup.<BR>
<BR>
btw, Parliament enshrined the principles underlying its actions in a document<BR>
called the Bill of Rights. <BR>
<BR>
M<BR>
- -- <BR>
Mark Watson, markw@antares.demon.co.uk<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:37:29 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Politically Correct Season's Greetings...<BR>
<BR>
At 03:43 pm 12/21/99 +1000, you wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>----- Original Message -----<BR>
>From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
>To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 6:10 AM<BR>
>Subject: Re: [OT] Politically Correct Season's Greetings...<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>><BR>
>> >    Don't quote me on this, but I have heard that the<BR>
>><BR>
>> >average male who is out christmas shopping suffers<BR>
>> >stress equal in intensity to a fighter pilot in<BR>
>> >combat.<BR>
>><BR>
>> Oh, I'd love to see a source for that. It would<BR>
>> support my decision to opt out of the holiday scene<BR>
>> very well.  (Last year I went to Thailand; maybe next<BR>
>> year I'll go to Iran.)<BR>
>><BR>
><BR>
>I read it myself a few years ago, a sidebar in a newspaper, one of<BR>
those<BR>
>trivia things from international news services.<BR>
><BR>
>However, I have never felt myself under such stresses personally<BR>
:^)<BR>
<BR>
	I'll let you folks know when I start my Christmas shopping;<BR>
hopefully tomorrow ... this year has been rather busy with work!<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:37:28 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re:War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
At 07:30 am 12/21/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>William writes<BR>
>>Quite literally, it was a PR coup for the US; while merchant<BR>
shipping to<BR>
>>and from the US may have been slowed to a trickle (some blockade<BR>
running<BR>
>>did occur), it did not prevent the US from projecting force on the<BR>
seas,<BR>
>>all the way to Tripoli. This last is memorialized by the new branch<BR>
of the<BR>
>>US military which was raised due to the war in their hymn: "From<BR>
the Halls<BR>
<BR>
	New in 1812? ISTR the Marines claim to predate even the<BR>
constitution, having been raised by the Continental Congress 'long<BR>
about 177x or so ...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:37:27 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: CT to T4 power conversion (Was: Re: Asteroid Mining)<BR>
<BR>
At 09:57 am 12/21/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>Can someone conferm or correct the following:<BR>
>1 EP = 1 Mw<BR>
<BR>
	Nope. IIRC from Striker (I), 1 HG EP=250MW.<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:37:26 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: The Death of Q<BR>
<BR>
At 11:37 am 12/21/99 -0900, you wrote:<BR>
>>Legate Legion wrote:<BR>
>>><BR>
>>>     Tonight, I have learned that Q aka Desmond Llewelyn, has died<BR>
in a car<BR>
>>> crash outside of London, England.  Let us all take a moment out,<BR>
to<BR>
>>>mourn this<BR>
>>> great actor.<BR>
>><BR>
>>A toast:  To the greatest gadgeteer this side of Famille Spofulam -<BR>
Q.<BR>
>>\~/<BR>
><BR>
>Until the last line I was thinking "Who is this person, and why are<BR>
they<BR>
>saying he had John Delancy's role?" Now I realize it's the Bond Q,<BR>
not the<BR>
>star trek Q.<BR>
<BR>
	Aargh! I missed that ... you realize this means they're not allowed<BR>
to make any more Bond movies. Not that the recent ones really count<BR>
anyway (gag).<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:53:48 -0500<BR>
From: "DaveShayne" <daveshayne@email.msn.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)<BR>
<BR>
>Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:42:55 -0500 (EST)<BR>
>From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
>Subject: Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)<BR>
><BR>
>On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Charles Collin wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>> They seem to have saved the rain-forest and reversed the desertification<BR>
>> of Africa as well.<BR>
>><BR>
>> Regarding what the US looks like at this time, there appear to be massive<BR>
>> population concentrations around Detroit and the East Coast.  The<BR>
>> Northwest is still heavily forested and there is a major starport in the<BR>
>> rockies called Paulo.<BR>
><BR>
>Could it be the rainforest (tropical and PNW temperate) are actually<BR>
>recreations, too?<BR>
><BR>
>> BTW, I only skimmed the thread on Zhodani and Vilani races, but it occurs<BR>
>> to me that just about every pic I've seen of either of these groups<BR>
>> portrays a white person.  Did they have suns with lower UV or something?<BR>
>> Or do we just have to accept that it's a marketing/artist's bias kinda<BR>
>> thing?  Actually, the latter seems like the necessary explanation, as<BR>
>> most Solomani are portrayed as white also...<BR>
><BR>
>Well, this is *Traveller*, and you're on the TML, so there's only one real<BR>
>answer: white people have an evolutionary advantage, and other races just<BR>
>*naturally* became extinct.  What else explains it?<BR>
><BR>
>Kenji<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Well, this is *Traveller*, and what with all of those High Law worlds out<BR>
there<BR>
and PC's as you know are all incredible anarchists, so the actual real<BR>
answer is:<BR>
The pictures are of PC's, PC's are wanted on at least one or two planets<BR>
apiece,<BR>
White folk are the only group too stupid to duck when the cameras are<BR>
rolling.<BR>
(Yes I'm so pasty white it hurts.)<BR>
I Suspect this would also result in a disproportionate arrest and conviction<BR>
rate<BR>
for whites in the 3I as well. YMMV.<BR>
<BR>
<snipped whitespace><BR>
<BR>
>Wondering if a race war on the TML would be more interesting than a guns &<BR>
>Yanks flamewar.<BR>
<BR>
David Shayne<BR>
<BR>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<BR>
Old version - Build a better mousetrap and<BR>
the world will beat a path to your door.<BR>
New version - Build a better mousetrap and<BR>
some @$*% will build a better mouse.<BR>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:59:51 -0500<BR>
From: "DaveShayne" <daveshayne@email.msn.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1544<BR>
<BR>
>Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:44:20 -0500 (EST)<BR>
>From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
>Subject: Re: Far Future Terra (was: Vanishing Wetlands...)<BR>
><BR>
>On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Walter Smith wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>> Earth while the rise was at it's worst. Almost everywhere else<BR>
>> built dikes, Egypt and Siberia couldn't afford to and got wet instead.<BR>
><BR>
>I am silent.  Silent as a mouse.  My lips are sealed.  I will say nothing<BR>
>lewd.  I think nothing lewd.  My mind is a pure crystal of cleanliness and<BR>
>rectitude.<BR>
><BR>
>Kenji<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Chuckle... Chortle, grin, guffaw, snicker, snort.<BR>
<BR>
Chalk up another keyboard kill Kenji.<BR>
<BR>
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